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This overhead drone at my son's high school graduation ceremony in Prescott AZ the other day was completely enexpected by everyone I've talked to. It was present the whole time (I presume to record the event), but I didn't capture it on video until the ceremony ended. The music ("Fly Like an Eagle") was being broadcast by the school for the enjoyment of graduates and guests and is entirely coincidental.

In the end, it was harmless, but it was distracting sometimes. Personally, I felt offended by having no advance warning about it. What do you think?


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Should drones be used this way?

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  •  Tip Jar (18+ / 0-)

    America is not 317 million individual boats afloat on an ocean; America is an ocean supporting 317 million boats.

    by Jimdotz on Sun May 25, 2014 at 12:13:16 PM PDT

  •  so whose drone was it /nt (11+ / 0-)

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    by annieli on Sun May 25, 2014 at 12:35:55 PM PDT

  •  I'm just surprised it didn't spiral down, (6+ / 0-)

    riddled with bullets of various calibers.

    Ted Cruz president? Pardon my Vietnamese, but Ngo Pho King Way.

    by ZedMont on Sun May 25, 2014 at 12:36:55 PM PDT

  •  If you think that's creepy... (9+ / 0-)

    (and it is) just wait a few years when we won't know whether they're armed or not, let alone why they're there.

    "If one would give me six lines written by the hand of the most honest man, I would find something in them to have him hanged." - 17th-century French clergyman and statesman Cardinal Richelieu.

    by markthshark on Sun May 25, 2014 at 12:37:04 PM PDT

  •  Few things: (20+ / 0-)

    1)  Having a drone overhead is not a whole lot different than having hundreds of people with smartphones, video cameras and still cameras all over the place taking photos.  It's just another angle — one that is hard to get otherwise.  

    2)  I own a drone and operate it as a hobbyist.  My major concern with flying it is safety. It's pretty reliable, but they can fail (You can see videos of them on YouTube crashing due to props failing off, electronics failures, etc.)  Therefore, I'd never fly it over a huge crowd of people. I would not want something weighing 2-3 lbs falling on someone's head from 200 feet.  

    I recently attended a workshop on drone journalism. Right now, we can't do it. But that may change in the future.  

    Unfortunately, drones suffer from bad PR, as they're associated with their murderous cousins in the military. But they do have tons of positive uses. They're currently being used on farms to scout crops. That allows the farmers to see which areas of their fields need fertilizer or pesticides or water and apply those things surgically. That means less expense for them (only applying fertilizer or pesticides to areas that need it rather than indiscriminately) and fewer pesticides and fertilizers running off into the water supply.

    They're used in high resolution mapping. They're used in environmental conservation.  They can be used in Search and Rescue.    

    They're very useful in filming.  To set a stage of where something is happening, you want to get a shot from about 200-400 feet in the air.  It's too hard to get a shot from a plane at that altitude due to the speed, and it's too low for a helicopter to fly without disturbing the scene, blowing stuff over, causing dust clouds, noise, etc.  Drones are good at that.  They're well suited for operating at that height, are relatively quiet, and some of them are capable of carrying some pretty heavy gear aloft, including Red cameras and very heavy lenses.  

    There are tons of other useful civilian uses for the things, and as technology evolves we'll find more.  

    But like I said, they have a PR problem because of how the military uses them.  

    Part of me understands the it.  I don't really trust the government a whole lot either.  Anything that makes it easier for them to surveil innocent people, they'll probably use, and they'll probably abuse.  

    The important thing to remember is intent and context. If you're standing in a place surrounded by hundreds of people with cameras, what's one more camera 200 feet over your head?  If I were that worried about it, I'd rather have the drone overhead since the camera on it probably does not have the resolution to personally identify me at that altitude. The three dozen cell phone camera videos I are unwittingly on can personally identify me, and they're all over youtube by now.  

    If it can be legally seen without a drone, then you can't really object to it being seen with one.  

    •  One big difference: (12+ / 0-)

      Video cameras and smart phones have identifiable people directly attached to them.  Drones are anonymous; the operator can control it covertly, from hundreds of yards away.  I'm not sure why this makes a difference, but it does to me at least.

      Agreed:  they have legitimate uses.  Proposed:  they are wholly inappropriate in some venues.

      •  Hobbyists have flown RC planes & (9+ / 0-)

        copters for decades, with video cameras for at least 15-20 years.

        I could have ordered one for you 15 yrs ago when I managed a Hobby shop.

        .................expect us......................... FDR 9-23-33, "If we cannot do this one way, we will do it another way. But do it we will.

        by Roger Fox on Sun May 25, 2014 at 01:02:04 PM PDT

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        •  I know that's true, but for some reason (3+ / 0-)

          they've never been considered particularly intrusive.  Maybe you can inform me:  why are these multi-propped machines becoming so popular?  Do they have superior properties to RC planes and copters?  Or are they just the "newest" and so just more of a current fad?

          Incidentally, I understand the basics of flying (many years ago I was taking flying lessons and soloed in a Cessna 150 and accumulated about forty hours of flying time before the "low money light" came on, and so never completed my Private Pilot's license).  I understand the basics of helicopter flight also (cyclic & collective), and once tried to fly an RC copter.  I couldn't get it off the ground, but it was a cheapo Radio Shack toy, actually, and that may have had a lot to do with it.  Are these new drones easier to fly than an RC helicopter?

          •  From my own perspective.... (11+ / 0-)

            What attracted me to them was the technology.  The tinkering.  The messing around with the thing.  Taking a bunch of shit I bought online from China and building a flying robot.  A robot that I can either control directly with a radio control device, or that can fly autonomously. (Mine is capable of direct control, or I can program it with a laptop to go somewhere and do something, then come back and land).

            Yeah, you can buy them on Amazon out of a box, ready to fly. Unpack it, put in a battery and it goes.  

            But I built mine.  The frame is made out of carbon fiber, and the electronics that control it are open source, just like Linux. Hobbyists design the systems that make them fly, put the plans and stuff out on the internet and anyone can build it, or make whatever improvements they want.

            To make a multicopter work, it takes a great amount of data. That data comes from sensors like accelerometers, gyroscopes, magnetic compasses, altitude sensors, sonar sensors, GPS sensors....  Then you have to program the computer to control all the motors individually.  

            A person could never fly a multicopter without a computer to help them do it.  The computer makes dozens of minute corrections each second to keep the thing from tumbling out of the air.  

            That's what appealed to me, especially building my own.  

            I got to teach to a robot to fly.  I leaned a lot of stuff I didn't know before.  For me, what I'm most interested in what else I can make the thing do.  Drone — or sUAS as a lot of people prefer to call them to distance them from their military cousins — technology is where home computers were in the 1970s when people like Bill Gates and Steve Jobs were looking for ways to take something built for military purposes and develop civilian uses for them.  

            In 30 years, the things will be so ubiquitous that we'll look back on conversations like these and they'll seem like conversations back in the 20s about how horseless carriages and aeroplanes were about to ruin everything.  

             

            •  I'm afraid I really don't like that idea: (5+ / 0-)
              In 30 years, the things will be so ubiquitous...
              What?  You mean it's probable that no matter where a person is, there's going to be lots of sUASs flying overhead, just willy-nilly?

              An unsettling prospect.  But then, I almost certainly won't be around in thirty years, so what the heck.

              •  That is the expectation (2+ / 0-)
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                Companies like Google and Amazon on working on leveraging drones, for example.

                http://www.bloomberg.com/...

                http://www.bloomberg.com/...

                •  Monsanto... (3+ / 0-)
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                  is backing some of the agricultural uses of them as well.  

                  In other countries, blue chip corporations have invested heavily in this technology.  The Japanese company Yamaha builds a very large helicopter drone (maybe the size of one of their motorcycles) that is used for agricultural work.  Not only can it find areas of a farmer's field that needs fertilizer, it can actually spray them. The surgical application of pesticides and fertilizers is way better for the farmer's wallet and the environment.  

                  One company in New Zealand builds customized drones for film work. They can lift a full HD cinema grade camera aloft and can hold the camera steady no matter what the UAV itself is doing.

                  They've also been used for journalism in Europe and Africa by BBC and Al Jazeera.

                  They're used by conservation scientists all over, including locating poachers.  

                  They've been used in search and rescue.  

                  There are tons of applications, and right now other countries are getting ahead of us. If the FAA doesn't get its shit together and come up with some workable rules for commercial UAV usage, it'll be another tremendous growth industry we've let slip away.    

              •  And I'm sure we'll have a new lobby (2+ / 0-)
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                The NDA, National Drone Association, because the only thing that can stop a bad guy with a drone is a good guy with a drone.  Or something.

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                by libdevil on Sun May 25, 2014 at 05:57:46 PM PDT

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                •  It would certainly make me rethink owning (2+ / 0-)
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                  a shotgun...

                  They're going to have to come up with a way to identify them - tracking beacon or whatever - or people's personal space (backyards, pools, hot tubs... ) is going to be invaded on a continual basis.

                  Everything possible is a not a good idea.  We can all be microchipped too. Lots of things are possible.

                  "The law is meant to be my servant and not my master, still less my torturer and my murderer." -- James Baldwin. July 11, 1966.

                  by YucatanMan on Sun May 25, 2014 at 07:50:28 PM PDT

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                  •  Flight over private property (0+ / 0-)

                    is legal and has been for decades.

                    Ask several people that have gone to jail for shooting down aircraft flying over private property what the laws really say.

                    Huey728 "I'm not really big on calling strangers on the phone, but I felt this election was too important to just sit back and watch." Elections are decided exactly this way; every damned election! GOTV counts... the votes!

                    by Nebraska68847Dem on Sun May 25, 2014 at 10:55:38 PM PDT

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              •  There will be real estate for sale above your (1+ / 0-)
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                house.

                Amazon will own th 400-420ft spectrum. That will remain clear for their delivery service. You will not be able to operate there.

                I think there will be a lot of sales of air-based real estate to accomodate commercial drones.

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                by k9disc on Sun May 25, 2014 at 07:05:48 PM PDT

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            •  Right, I got into gas RC cars & trucks (4+ / 0-)

              about 15 years ago, it was about the tinkering, modifying. I built kits & went RTR. My fastest car was clocked at 84mph by a K-5 hand held radar gun.

              .................expect us......................... FDR 9-23-33, "If we cannot do this one way, we will do it another way. But do it we will.

              by Roger Fox on Sun May 25, 2014 at 01:52:20 PM PDT

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          •  My take is its the "Newest" (3+ / 0-)

            15 years ago $140 was the entry price for a bare bones RC electric plane, and actual (RTR) Ready to Run gas powered RC plane would start at $500. A Copter with gyro kit, started @ $500, no battery, Servo or radio gear. A real good copter could cost over $1000. Built to handle a video camera and transmiter, IIRC $2000.

            Today the DJI Phantom Quadracopter is $480, RTR and comes with the Go Pro camera mount.
            http://www.helipal.com/...

            Oh yeah, with GPS, turn off your radio and the Phantom returns to its takeoff point automatically.

            .................expect us......................... FDR 9-23-33, "If we cannot do this one way, we will do it another way. But do it we will.

            by Roger Fox on Sun May 25, 2014 at 01:41:53 PM PDT

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          •  And yes, they're easier to fly than an RC Heli. (6+ / 0-)

            Even the ones you buy on Amazon out of the box (DJI Phantom is popular) are heavily computerized. The computer does a great job of holding it stable.  

            They have altitude hold available, so you apply throttle, get it to the height you want, then back off on the throttle and it will just sit there at that height until you reduce altitude or the battery runs out (when the battery gets weak, the computer takes over and it automatically lands itself).  

            They also have GPS hold, so it will even hover in the same position, even if a breeze is pushing it.  

            Like you, I've flown real airplanes.  I've also flown RC planes and Helis, I've had RC boats and cars....  

            And quadcopters have been one of the most fun things I've had.  And much easier to fly than helis.

            You should go to youtube and check out some of the videos people have made with them.  There is one in particular where a guy filmed his family vacation to California.  He got some amazing shots with a GoPro camera on a DJI Phantom, and edited it to a really nice video....  

            It's fun.  I don't spy on people.  Personally, I find most people less interesting than the drone itself. LOL  

      •  Maybe they do, maybe they don't. (4+ / 0-)
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        I can also film you anonymously in a public place. They have cameras now that can clip inside a shirt pocket. They're used a lot in the undercover sting reports you see on TV news with the crooked car mechanics and stuff.  

        Lots of people are also installing dash cams. They're popular in Russia to combat fraud, but after two hit and run accidents on my wife's car, I've seriously considered installing them in our cars.  

        So how do you know that the indigo blue Prius behind you isn't filming you also?    

        Remember the standing in principle from the US Supreme Court: generally speaking, if a photographer is "standing in" a place where he or she legally has the right to be, anything he or she can photograph from that place is fair game.  That includes standing on the balcony of a tall apartment building with a telephoto lens.  

        •  I realize that anytime I'm out in public (3+ / 0-)
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          Jimdotz, RerumCognoscereCausas, Smoh

          I could be photographed/videoed without my consent or knowledge.  Not that anyone would have any reason to snap my ugly mug though.

          I know, also, that I'm frequently under video security surveillance.  That doesn't particularly bother me.

          Maybe it's irrational, but there is just some "big brother" feeling I get about these drones that I don't get otherwise from people with cameras and smartphones and surveillance video.

          Maybe it's just the buzzing sound they make.

    •  A film-maker friend uses them to film (9+ / 0-)

      Skiers and snowboarders for movies. It's a great, inexpensive way to quickly get a bunch of angles that would otherwise take days of regular setup, lighting, boom-placement,  re-shoots, etc.

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      by radical simplicity on Sun May 25, 2014 at 01:02:56 PM PDT

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    •  Right, its the PR, the media has trained people (3+ / 0-)

      to use a broad brush for these devices, and to view all of them in a negative fashion.

      And it didnt happen over night, the hobby has evolved over 40 years. We've come a long way from string controlled planes and the free flying .049.

      .................expect us......................... FDR 9-23-33, "If we cannot do this one way, we will do it another way. But do it we will.

      by Roger Fox on Sun May 25, 2014 at 01:57:23 PM PDT

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    •  Where do you legally operate yours? n/t (2+ / 0-)
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      "The law is meant to be my servant and not my master, still less my torturer and my murderer." -- James Baldwin. July 11, 1966.

      by YucatanMan on Sun May 25, 2014 at 07:47:06 PM PDT

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      •  On my own property mostly. (5+ / 0-)

        Or at my parents' country estate.  I have had it at a remote control airfield in a nearby public park as well, and I've had it indoors in an empty stadium (as part of a group and with permission). I've also had it out at a farm a couple times. Most people are pretty cool about it if you ask, and as long as there are no crops to disturb or whatever.    

        For non commercial use as a hobbyist, the FAA guidelines state it should not be operated within three miles of an airport, above 400 ft AGL, away from schools and hospitals.  Other than that, if you have a legal right to be there, are not disturbing others and are being safe (avoiding crowded areas, etc) that's pretty much it.  

        Being courteous and thoughtful go a long way.  

        Currently the rules are the same for RC aircraft, rules that were established in 1981.

        Once the FAA comes up with some new rules later this year, we'll see where we stand.  The FAA rules will probably only apply to commercial use (filming for movies/TV etc), since hobbyist rules were never in contention.    

  •  I'm not sure why I don't like these "harmless" (3+ / 0-)
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    drones, but I hate 'em.  I guess I'm just not cool with the idea that any John(Jane) Q. Public can up and put an "eye in the sky" to peer and pry into private spaces, like my fenced-in back yard for instance.

    I could say they should be outlawed, but they do have some very valid uses, like scientific exploration in places that are not safely accessible otherwise.

    But in the specific case of the graduation ceremony (or any similar situation), let's just extend this out and grant they're A-ok, and should have no restrictions.  So, since they're relatively affordable and require no extensive training to learn to fly them, it's no stretch of imagination to picture dozens of them flying over, allowing many proud parents to majestically "capture the moment".  Yeah, dozens of 'em.  Now, that wouldn't be distracting or annoying, would it?

    So I say don't outlaw them, but do require special use permits, and the reason needs to be very compelling before such a permit is granted.

    I don't see the desire to aerially videograph a high school graduation ceremony as very compelling.

    •  We've been slammed with Negative PR (4+ / 0-)

      on Military drones in the media. This has an effect, you've been trained to think of these things in a negative light.

      Now suddenly a $480 toy is weaponized.

      .................expect us......................... FDR 9-23-33, "If we cannot do this one way, we will do it another way. But do it we will.

      by Roger Fox on Sun May 25, 2014 at 01:46:38 PM PDT

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      •  Alas, 'tis true, I'm biased against military (2+ / 0-)
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        drones.  No-risk to the operator of a drone, as contrasted with a fighter pilot for example, makes the killing of an enemy all the easier and safer, and psychologically less unpalatable.

        It's hateful, but there hasn't been a technology that someone hasn't put to nefarious uses one way or the other.  I'm dreading the day one of these multi-propped "toys" is used by some sicko to kill people.  But I'm afraid just such a thing is inevitable.

        •  They have used them to kill people in a way (2+ / 0-)
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          funningforrest, Jimdotz

          The military started with off the shelf RC products 25-35 years ago.

          When the Browning machine gun was invented about a 100+ yrs ago, some people complained how people can be killed from long distance on a scale never before envisioned, easier and safer, and psychologically less unpalatable. They wont have to look into the eyes of the person they are shooting at.

          OMG the ironies........

          .................expect us......................... FDR 9-23-33, "If we cannot do this one way, we will do it another way. But do it we will.

          by Roger Fox on Sun May 25, 2014 at 02:17:42 PM PDT

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  •  I use drones in archaeology. They're ok over (7+ / 0-)

    open areas without people.  But in crowded areas they can be dangerous as well as distracting.  For one to be used, I woudl say a few circumstances should be met:

    a. Needs to be a safe plane.  Small enough so that the propellers pose no threat if someone does get hit
    b. It should really first be approved by, say, the PTA.  Or something like that.

  •  Was it armed with a Hellfire missile? If not, (3+ / 0-)
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    I wouldn't worry.

    "Because I am a river to my people."

    by lordcopper on Sun May 25, 2014 at 01:55:26 PM PDT

  •  The thought that these little birds are cheap, (3+ / 0-)
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    open source and easily weaponized is a bit disturbing.

    I suspect their use in domestic terrorism is inevitable.

    Rivers are horses and kayaks are their saddles

    by River Rover on Sun May 25, 2014 at 02:03:30 PM PDT

    •  Homicide yes. Terror... um... not so soon (2+ / 0-)
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      at least by judging the technical hurdles present when considering carrying a payload the size of the bomb used in Boston.

      Even mounting a plastic 9mm multishot weapon is problematic short of going with a much larger device..

      .................expect us......................... FDR 9-23-33, "If we cannot do this one way, we will do it another way. But do it we will.

      by Roger Fox on Sun May 25, 2014 at 02:29:20 PM PDT

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      •  A lot of pretty advanced stuff can be built in a (2+ / 0-)
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        garage.

        Rivers are horses and kayaks are their saddles

        by River Rover on Sun May 25, 2014 at 02:43:44 PM PDT

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        •  I know. Very well. (2+ / 0-)
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          One shot plastic printed pistol is a reality. Never the less the payload is a limiting factor, the bigger the vehicle needed drives the cost up, needing a higher resolution camera adds weight, and stalking a person with a 10 ft helo with 8 foot rotors and a multi bullet weapon is not that practical for Murder Inc.

          .................expect us......................... FDR 9-23-33, "If we cannot do this one way, we will do it another way. But do it we will.

          by Roger Fox on Sun May 25, 2014 at 03:13:04 PM PDT

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          •  GPS guided model planes = poor mans cruise (1+ / 0-)
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            missile

            Rivers are horses and kayaks are their saddles

            by River Rover on Sun May 25, 2014 at 03:41:43 PM PDT

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            •  Accuracy is +- 2.5m in elevation (1+ / 0-)
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              and you need to place a GPS transponder on your target. So now your accuracy is 5m. Which means your poor mans cruise missile is going to crash into the ground 1/3rd of the time, and miss the target high 1/3rd of the time.

              And thats only plotting the Y axis. Plotting the X axis reduces accuracy even further.....

              What else you got?

              .................expect us......................... FDR 9-23-33, "If we cannot do this one way, we will do it another way. But do it we will.

              by Roger Fox on Sun May 25, 2014 at 04:27:08 PM PDT

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              •  I've worked professionally with GPS since it was (2+ / 0-)
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                invented and I don't know what a "GPS transponder" is.

                I do know that elevation ( the Z axis by the way) can be easily corrected by an analogue signal from an on board altimeter.

                The X and Y axes ( longitude and latitude respectively) can be corrected by a RTK (real time kinematic) correction sent from a ground based transmitter located nowhere near the receiver being corrected.  Accuracy is sub millimeter and position is updated in real time.

                This is not just doable, it's been done.

                Rivers are horses and kayaks are their saddles

                by River Rover on Sun May 25, 2014 at 06:03:47 PM PDT

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  •  As authors of leadership books.. (1+ / 0-)
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    have said, "what you permit you promote".

    "We can have democracy in this country, or we can have great wealth concentrated in the hands of a few, but we can't have both." - Louis D. Brandeis

    by VA6thDem on Sun May 25, 2014 at 03:27:16 PM PDT

  •  Some idiot (2+ / 0-)
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    ...flew a drone over my daughter's college graduation last weekend.  The campus police waited patiently for him to land it...then escorted him off the campus.

    America, we can do better than this...

    by Randomfactor on Sun May 25, 2014 at 07:46:31 PM PDT

  •  Some odd comments in the thread. (2+ / 0-)
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    Several imagine laws and rules that don't exist.

    Several are loaded with fear.

    Some vivid imaginations about "what if".

    We've been flying RC things since the 1930's.
    It's nothing new although the level of anxiety is definitely ramped up on behalf of great uninformed and misinformed members of the public.

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    by Nebraska68847Dem on Sun May 25, 2014 at 11:02:50 PM PDT

  •  So the drone was landed right next to the field (0+ / 0-)

    did you see who walked out with it?  Probably just taking overhead GoPro-type video of the graduation.

    "Privatize to Profitize" explains every single Republican economic, social and governing philosophy. Take every taxpayer dollar from defense, education, health care, public lands, retirement - privatize it, and profit from it.

    by mumtaznepal on Mon May 26, 2014 at 05:44:43 AM PDT

    •  Ah, I forgot .. storm chasers use hobby drones to (1+ / 0-)
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      Nebraska68847Dem

      take video of storm damaged areas.

      "Privatize to Profitize" explains every single Republican economic, social and governing philosophy. Take every taxpayer dollar from defense, education, health care, public lands, retirement - privatize it, and profit from it.

      by mumtaznepal on Mon May 26, 2014 at 05:47:38 AM PDT

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        in civilian society is booming.

        This thread is full of malarky, vivid imagination, hand wringing, and fear-mongering.

        Rational folks have abandoned brain matter and allowed themselves to be the same as viewers of FoxNews.

        Huey728 "I'm not really big on calling strangers on the phone, but I felt this election was too important to just sit back and watch." Elections are decided exactly this way; every damned election! GOTV counts... the votes!

        by Nebraska68847Dem on Mon May 26, 2014 at 10:48:17 AM PDT

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        •  Tipped for using "malarky" (0+ / 0-)

          "Privatize to Profitize" explains every single Republican economic, social and governing philosophy. Take every taxpayer dollar from defense, education, health care, public lands, retirement - privatize it, and profit from it.

          by mumtaznepal on Mon May 26, 2014 at 12:41:43 PM PDT

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    Very little real information is brought forth in this diary.

    Huey728 "I'm not really big on calling strangers on the phone, but I felt this election was too important to just sit back and watch." Elections are decided exactly this way; every damned election! GOTV counts... the votes!

    by Nebraska68847Dem on Mon May 26, 2014 at 10:07:48 PM PDT

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